T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma

Wed Sep 13 21:51:08 EDT 2006

Mervyn, it makes perfect sense. Put this one behind you and enjoy the new 
boat.

Cheers, Garrett

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carr, Mervyn" <mcarr@zenon.com>
To: <morganpilothouse@sbcglobal.net>; 
<trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma

> Thanks all for the advice. I am reluctant to start pouring any money into 
> this one, she is only worth at most about 7k(cad), and the surveyors 
> findings do make sense to me.
> We have also taken delivery of our new (to us) Mainship II 34. I don't 
> want to be saddled with two boats right now and don't have the time to be 
> restoring both either, hence my reasoning of scrapping her rather than 
> undertaking a possible money pit of a project (make sense?)
> Mervyn Carr
> I.T.  Project Manager
> Tel: 905-465-3030 ext 3393
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Barfett <morganpilothouse@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com 
> <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com>
> Sent: Wed Sep 13 21:19:42 2006
> Subject: RE: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
>
> Mervyn,
>
> Sorry to hear about the bad news from a surveyor. The exist a ton of
> experience here on the list. Guess if it were me, I would engage a
> professional to see just how much rot is preset. It is one thing to have
> water detected by a 'meter' and another to find out how much actual damage
> has been inflicted. You could find that any rot area is small and feasible
> to fix, and then fix the problem of water getting in.
>
> On another note, I see you are involved with Zenon, I would appreciate 
> your
> opinion of that product as it would relate to a cruising boat. Currently I
> utilize a SeaGull filtration system which as I understand it is a very 
> good
> filtration unit although the filters are upwards of $70 each and need
> replacing about every 8 months with my usage. Looked at the web site but
> didn't find anything that I thought would fit the bill.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff on Southern Nights
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com
> [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of
> Carr, Mervyn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:38 AM
> To: Garrett Lambert; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
> Subject: Re: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
>
> Thanks Garrett, below is a copy of what I received from the buyer,
> doesn't look too encouraging (?)
>
> "I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to you; it took me several
> days to do research and catch up with the surveyor.  The surveyor
> indicated that a piece of plywood had been bolted to the transom and so
> he checked and found moisture on the transom as well.  This indicates
> that the moisture started in the transom and spread to the stringers,
> which is often the case.  That moisture may have penetrated well towards
> the cockpit or beyond affecting the full structure of the hull.
> Estimates to repair this problem range from $10k to $15K or more."
>
>
> Mervyn Carr, CPIM
> GE
> Water and Process Technologies
> I.T. Project Manager
> ZENON Membrane Solutions
>
> T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
> M + 1 905 334 7748
> F + 1 905 465 3050
> mcarr@zenon.com
> www.zenon.com
>
> 3239 Dundas Street West
> Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garrett Lambert [mailto:garrettlambert@shaw.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:09 AM
> To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
> Subject: Re: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
>
> Hi Mervyn
>
> It's worth getting an estimate to repair/replace the damaged areas.
>
> If the wooden stringers are encapsulated in fiberglass, a good surveyor
> would probably have told the buyer that this problem is present in
> almost
> all older boats. He might also have offered the advice that it is not a
> significant deficiency, because the stringers' strength is in the glass.
>
> Even so, the report would leave a buyer  uncomfortable. (Been there,
> done
> that.) A price reduction for the 'cosmetic problem' might re-kindle
> interest.
>
> You can also have encapsulated stringers repaired - injected - for not
> much
> more than plain wooden ones. The big expense is what has to come out to
> get
> at the affected area(s) and then be replaced, and that' usually the
> engine.
> (This problem seems to almost always start with leaks at the engine
> mounts.)
> Since you seem able to remove the engine yourself...
>
> Cheers, Garrett
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carr, Mervyn" <mcarr@zenon.com>
> To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:06 AM
> Subject: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
>
>
>>I have a 1987 Peterborough cruiser for sale. I had a firm buyer
> (subject
>> to survey). Unfortunately the survey turned up very high moisture
> levels
>> in the engine room stringers and the buyer has (understandably) backed
>> out. I am reluctant to sell her to an "innocent victim" knowing what I
>> now know.
>>
>> The engine though is in great shape as is the interior. My current
>> thinking is to effectively scrap the boat and sell off the engine,
>> outdrive etc.
>>
>> Engine is a 5.7 liter (Chev) OMC unit with a little over 1000 hours,
>> with OMC outdrive..
>>
>> I am open to offers as I don't really want to own two boats (and store
>> and winterize two boats) or does anyone else have any bright ideas?
> (The
>> starter has also decided to die in the last couple of days!)
>>
>> Mervyn Carr
>> GE
>> Water and Process Technologies
>> I.T. Project Manager
>> ZENON Membrane Solutions
>>
>> T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
>> M + 1 905 334 7748
>> F + 1 905 465 3050
>> mcarr@zenon.com
>> www.zenon.com
>>
>> 3239 Dundas Street West
>> Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
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