T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma

Wed Sep 13 21:37:20 EDT 2006

Thanks all for the advice. I am reluctant to start pouring any money into this one, she is only worth at most about 7k(cad), and the surveyors findings do make sense to me. 
We have also taken delivery of our new (to us) Mainship II 34. I don't want to be saddled with two boats right now and don't have the time to be restoring both either, hence my reasoning of scrapping her rather than undertaking a possible money pit of a project (make sense?)
Mervyn Carr
I.T.  Project Manager
Tel: 905-465-3030 ext 3393 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Barfett <morganpilothouse@sbcglobal.net>
To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Wed Sep 13 21:19:42 2006
Subject: RE: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma

Mervyn,

Sorry to hear about the bad news from a surveyor. The exist a ton of
experience here on the list. Guess if it were me, I would engage a
professional to see just how much rot is preset. It is one thing to have
water detected by a 'meter' and another to find out how much actual damage
has been inflicted. You could find that any rot area is small and feasible
to fix, and then fix the problem of water getting in.

On another note, I see you are involved with Zenon, I would appreciate your
opinion of that product as it would relate to a cruising boat. Currently I
utilize a SeaGull filtration system which as I understand it is a very good
filtration unit although the filters are upwards of $70 each and need
replacing about every 8 months with my usage. Looked at the web site but
didn't find anything that I thought would fit the bill.

Thanks,
Jeff on Southern Nights

-----Original Message-----
From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of
Carr, Mervyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:38 AM
To: Garrett Lambert; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma

Thanks Garrett, below is a copy of what I received from the buyer,
doesn't look too encouraging (?)

"I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to you; it took me several
days to do research and catch up with the surveyor.  The surveyor
indicated that a piece of plywood had been bolted to the transom and so
he checked and found moisture on the transom as well.  This indicates
that the moisture started in the transom and spread to the stringers,
which is often the case.  That moisture may have penetrated well towards
the cockpit or beyond affecting the full structure of the hull.
Estimates to repair this problem range from $10k to $15K or more."

Mervyn Carr, CPIM
GE
Water and Process Technologies
I.T. Project Manager
ZENON Membrane Solutions

T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
M + 1 905 334 7748
F + 1 905 465 3050
mcarr@zenon.com
www.zenon.com

3239 Dundas Street West
Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: Garrett Lambert [mailto:garrettlambert@shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:09 AM
To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma

Hi Mervyn

It's worth getting an estimate to repair/replace the damaged areas.

If the wooden stringers are encapsulated in fiberglass, a good surveyor
would probably have told the buyer that this problem is present in
almost
all older boats. He might also have offered the advice that it is not a
significant deficiency, because the stringers' strength is in the glass.

Even so, the report would leave a buyer  uncomfortable. (Been there,
done
that.) A price reduction for the 'cosmetic problem' might re-kindle
interest.

You can also have encapsulated stringers repaired - injected - for not
much
more than plain wooden ones. The big expense is what has to come out to
get
at the affected area(s) and then be replaced, and that' usually the
engine.
(This problem seems to almost always start with leaks at the engine
mounts.)
Since you seem able to remove the engine yourself...

Cheers, Garrett

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carr, Mervyn" <mcarr@zenon.com>
To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma

>I have a 1987 Peterborough cruiser for sale. I had a firm buyer
(subject
> to survey). Unfortunately the survey turned up very high moisture
levels
> in the engine room stringers and the buyer has (understandably) backed
> out. I am reluctant to sell her to an "innocent victim" knowing what I
> now know.
>
> The engine though is in great shape as is the interior. My current
> thinking is to effectively scrap the boat and sell off the engine,
> outdrive etc.
>
> Engine is a 5.7 liter (Chev) OMC unit with a little over 1000 hours,
> with OMC outdrive..
>
> I am open to offers as I don't really want to own two boats (and store
> and winterize two boats) or does anyone else have any bright ideas?
(The
> starter has also decided to die in the last couple of days!)
>
> Mervyn Carr
> GE
> Water and Process Technologies
> I.T. Project Manager
> ZENON Membrane Solutions
>
> T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
> M + 1 905 334 7748
> F + 1 905 465 3050
> mcarr@zenon.com
> www.zenon.com
>
> 3239 Dundas Street West
> Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
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