[PCW] gas vs. diesel

Pat Reischmann preischmann at msn.com
Mon Apr 14 11:19:20 EDT 2008


In 30 years I have never heard of anyone dying from carbon monoxide poisoning
with diesel engines, diesel has less than 10% of the carbon gas has, I have
heard of people feeling sick once or twice, but it is not near as deadly as
gas engines. That is why ABYC, NMMA, and CE, require CO detectors on any
gasoline installation and not diesel. Equally Bob is right about the exploding
part.

I am sure the need for air conditioning in the pacific N.W. is not very high,
and you can go with a DIESEL forced air heating system which is clearly
another reason for diesel power. But you couldn't give one away without it
here in Florida. Just air conditioning is fine if you go from marina to
marina, but if you cruise and anchor you will need a generator. The retail
cost of a Next Generation Power 3.5 kw generator (160 lbs) with sound shield
is $6000 plus install, and it would easily power the air conditioning and
other needs on the smaller cat.

Of the almost 100 Manta catamarans I have sold 95% went with ac and a
generator on purchase, and 4% of the remaining 5% came back and retro'ed them
after a year of cruising. "SIMPLE IS AS SIMPLE DOES". People don't like to
sweat while they sleep at almost any price.  Side note:  Back in the 80"s my
brother had a 33 ft sailboat in which he installed a 4kw diesel generator my
father made called the DESI which at the time was the smallest 4 kw in the
world, and a 12000 btu air conditioning. When he pulled into anchorages and it
was a hot muggy, buggy, rainy night, owners of 50 +footers, who didn't have it
would dinghy over and beg him to let them sleep on his salon floor, pretty
funny.

I think it is hard to generalize when it comes to the cost of adding options,
since what "base price" includes varies from builder to builder. On average
the customer spent 35% on options for Manta's over the years. These were very
complete boats with generator, air, solar, refrigeration, washer/dryer,
complete electronics, water maker, windlass, dinghy, extra sails etc.

Manta grouped options into "pac's" to streamline the commissioning process,
and help the customer understand what the true realistic "bottom line" would
be. We had to do it this way because no one was selling complete fully
outfitted boats at a fixed price, everyone was using the loss leader way of
selling with a "base price". Just this year on my recommendation Manta has
made the move to selling completely outfitted boats, turn key for a fixed
price.

Based on over ten years of experience they know what 99% of the owners are
going to want, and I think the market has finally matured and become
sophisticated enough to understand what the difference between "base price"
and fully equipped, and ready to cruise boat is. Back when the base price of a
Manta was 275k up to the last base price of 385k people could justify the cost
of diesel engines, generator, and air conditioning.

Final note I have never heard of ANY outboard going 2000 hrs. let alone 4000
hrs without major service, not even ones on dinghies.


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