[PUP] FW: PPM, Convergence, narrow boats, etc.

[Theresa R. Kennelly-Tessier]

-----Original Message-----
From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces at lists.samurai.com
[mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces at lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of
Theresa R. Kennelly-Tessier
Sent: January 4, 2009 9:03 PM
To: panc_jefe at yahoo.com; 'Passagemaking Under Power List'
Subject: Re: [PUP] PPM, Convergence, narrow boats, etc.

Hello,

  A while ago a gentleman on this PUP site said he had a great relationship
with his builder in Canada (East Coast). Could this gentleman advise us as
to whom this builder was.  Thanks in advance, Michael Tessier at
ttessier at cogeco.ca



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From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces at lists.samurai.com
[mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces at lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Haas
Sent: January 4, 2009 6:43 PM
To: Passagemaking Under Power List
Subject: Re: [PUP] PPM, Convergence, narrow boats, etc.

Ron:  I just added your comments below to the Passagemaker wiki at:
http://passagemaker.wikispaces.com/Length%2C+Width+and+Draft
Please take a look.  If you don' t want it there, please let me know, and
I'll
remove it.  also, any comments or suggestions would be most welcome.

Jonathan Haas

--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Ron Rogers <rcrogers6 at kennett.net> wrote:
From: Ron Rogers <rcrogers6 at kennett.net>
Subject: Re: [PUP] PPM, Convergence, narrow boats, etc.
To: mark424x at yahoo.com, "'Passagemaking Under Power List'"
<passagemaking-under-power at lists.samurai.com>
Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 12:37 PM

Long and skinny is good. A long and narrow Swede 55 sloop was moored next to
me in Annapolis for the Bermuda Race. The race that year was very rough and
she won. All agree that she would not have won had it not been so rough. She
sliced through the waves while others pounded. That's the way Dashew
designs
his boats. BTW, my boathook also won the Bermuda race and I am still waiting
for its return.

Idlewild was purpose built for long range voyaging and has a high asking
price. She lacks creature comforts and is powered for the task and no more.
She probably has over-strength scantlings. Her qualities are not valued by
most buyers and most voyagers want more want more comfortable surrounding
similar to what the Diesel Ducks deliver. The Diesel Duck prices have
climbed to near $500,000 FOB China. If you don't want to sail away, it will
cost you another $100,000 delivered to Seattle or a port in Florida
inclusive of commissioning.

Dave and Nancy Cooper have a Roughwater 56' with a naval architect designed
roll tank on their flybridge. Dave says it works perfectly both underweigh
and at anchor. Properly designed simple is best. I would have both a roll
tank and active stabilizers because the new more intelligent stabilizers can
handle fore and aft pitching as well as rolling. My old, dumb Naiad 252's
need to be centered and locked going into a 5 or 6 foot sea. The natural
buoyancy of the Willard 40 design ensures that no water comes on deck (with
34 knots of wind.) My Willard's narrow fore and aft passageway is not what
the Admiral usually looks for unless she has been in a serious seaway. BTW,
my 1985 W40 FBS with a less efficient Perkins 6.534 gets 2.5 gph at 7.5
knots with the 8KW Onan powering the A/C units. If I back off to 7 knots and
turn off the generator, I imagine this full-displacement hull could get
Patrick's 1.5 gph. When diesel was at $4.00 I was thinking of 6 knots.

Ron Rogers

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, Georgs Kolesnikovs
> By the by, Idlewild is still for sale --

Having never been on the boat, I can't hazard a guess as to why she
hasn't
sold.  I would caution about making conclusions about particular design
elements from one boat.  In addition to the long skinny attribute, and the
basic systems attribute, the design for portage forced some trade offs, from
the photos it also appears to have few creature comforts, and perhaps a bit
high priced for what it is.

Re stablization, I love the roll tank I idea.  I believe someone on this
list has one.  It seems a bit to good to be true, otherwise we'd see them
all over the place.  Simple is good.
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