[PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
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1. Selen or Kadey Krogen? (Barbara Wilkinson )
2. Re: Selen or Kadey Krogen? (Anthony Thorne)
3. Re: Selen or Kadey Krogen? (John Marshall)
4. Re: Selene or Kadey Krogen? (Ron Rogers)
5. Selene or Kadey Krogen? (barbarawilkinson)
6. Re: Selen or Kadey Krogen? (Ken Williams)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:30:12 -0800
From: "Barbara Wilkinson " <xbrit at charter.net>
Subject: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
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Hi Everyone!
We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from Alaska,
down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the Carib, a
side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least half of the
Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to the Black
Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers with low
bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and almost no
cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be compatible
with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen hull design
really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the waters we
plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall in love
with both of them!
Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was a Marine
Trader, but this time we're serious!
Barb & Don
Reno, Nevada.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:10:12 -0800
From: Anthony Thorne <ajpenn42 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
To: Barbara Wilkinson <xbrit at charter.net>
Cc: passagemaking-under-power at lists.samurai.com
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You are looking at two very different types of cruising, tropical and north
of 30. 2 very different boat configurations. Cockpits are not really that
useable, at sea they are cold and stinky, in port that are suntraps. If I
was going to sea like that I would opt Nordhavn or Kady K but both with
active stabilizers.
Best of Luck
Carmen
La Paz Mexico
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Barbara Wilkinson <xbrit at charter.net>wrote:
> Hi Everyone!
>
>
>
> We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later model) or
> a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from Alaska,
> down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the Carib, a
> side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least half of
> the
> Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to the
> Black
> Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
>
>
>
> We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers with low
> bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and almost no
> cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be compatible
> with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen hull
design
> really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the waters we
> plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall in love
> with both of them!
>
>
>
> Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was a Marine
> Trader, but this time we're serious!
>
>
>
> Barb & Don
>
> Reno, Nevada.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:22:05 -0800
From: John Marshall <johnamar1101 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
To: Anthony Thorne <ajpenn42 at gmail.com>
Cc: Barbara Wilkinson <xbrit at charter.net>,
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A cockpit on a boat with a wet exhaust is uninhabitable underway,
IMHO. I find inhaling diesel fumes contributes to sea sickness.
However, with a dry stack, cockpits are great places to get a breath
of fresh air when underway, although there is little sense in making
them too big. You aren't going to have a dinner party out there while
underway.
Once we're at the dock or at anchor, the covered flybridge is where we
socialize when the weather is good. Its airy, its big, its up high and
has a great view and cool breezes. Or we set up a table and chairs on
the boat deck.
Bottom line, the cockpit is the least used area of our boat. It's just
my personal preference, but I'd always keep the cockpit small and use
that space for the salon.
John Marshall
Pacific Northwest
On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Anthony Thorne wrote:
> You are looking at two very different types of cruising, tropical
> and north
> of 30. 2 very different boat configurations. Cockpits are not really
> that
> useable, at sea they are cold and stinky, in port that are suntraps.
> If I
> was going to sea like that I would opt Nordhavn or Kady K but both
> with
> active stabilizers.
>
> Best of Luck
>
> Carmen
> La Paz Mexico
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Barbara Wilkinson
> <xbrit at charter.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later
>> model) or
>> a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from
>> Alaska,
>> down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the
>> Carib, a
>> side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least
>> half of
>> the
>> Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to
>> the
>> Black
>> Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
>>
>>
>>
>> We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers
>> with low
>> bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and
>> almost no
>> cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be
>> compatible
>> with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen
>> hull design
>> really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the
>> waters we
>> plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall
>> in love
>> with both of them!
>>
>>
>>
>> Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was
>> a Marine
>> Trader, but this time we're serious!
>>
>>
>>
>> Barb & Don
>>
>> Reno, Nevada.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:14:38 -0500
From: "Ron Rogers" <rcrogers6 at kennett.net>
Subject: Re: [PUP] Selene or Kadey Krogen?
To: "'Anthony Thorne'" <ajpenn42 at gmail.com>, "'Barbara Wilkinson'"
<xbrit at charter.net>
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Having seen a man almost thrown out (he hit and grabbed the door jamb) of a
KK42's pilothouse by a passing sportfisherman on the Severn River, I can
attest that they roll like crazy. Most KK42's have foam core from the
waterline up. Some have foam all the way to the keel. Late models are solid
fiberglass. They need a well-reinforced active stabilizer installation
costing about $40,000. Slow trawlers need large fin area stabilizers like
the Naiad 252 or equivalent. The wooden doors on older KK42's are not
adequate for ocean service and I am not interested in those who have
ventured-forth successfully with them. Otherwise they are seaworthy and
commodious boats with good storage and a basement. Goods placed in the
basement would have to be in waterproof wrapping. The vessels of its era did
not come equipped with ocean crossing in mind. They look great.
I have only seen one Selene up close and it was a 53 and beautiful. It had
twin Cummins engines. Unlike KK yachts (the newer ones are of even higher
quality) the Selenes do not appear to have a full displacement hull as the
after section flattens out. Some owners think that they are
full-displacement and Selene has made the forward hull "deeper." Selenes
also require adaptation for ocean voyaging, A key factor in both brands is
their range with existing fuel tanks at say 6 knots.
These are dramatically different boats. The Nordhavn 46 comes closer to the
KK42 conceptually, but is a proven world-circling full-displacement trawler
and they usually have either or both active and passive stabilization. Be
sure that crossing the Atlantic is in your future. You mention crossing as
deck cargo so that would subtract most of the North Atlantic, but the coast
of Europe is the Atlantic and the Med (Mare Nostrum) and is not tame. Any of
these boats would be comfortable as canal cruisers, although most would have
to fold down their masts.
Ron Rogers
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thorne
You are looking at two very different types of cruising, tropical and north
of 30. 2 very different boat configurations. Cockpits are not really that
useable, at sea they are cold and stinky, in port that are suntraps. If I
was going to sea like that I would opt Nordhavn or Kady K but both with
active stabilizers.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:26:55 -0800
From: "barbarawilkinson" <barbarawilkinson at charter.net>
Subject: [PUP] Selene or Kadey Krogen?
To: <passagemaking-under-power at lists.samurai.com>
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<20090219012700.MUKG25639.aarprv04.charter.net at youra9279112e3>
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Hi Everyone!
We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model. Our planned 5-7 year cruise would be from Alaska,
down the West Coast & Mexico, through the Panama Canal into the Carib, a
side trip to Guatemala, up to Florida and then probably at least half of the
Loop. From there we'd like to go to Holland and take the route to the Black
Sea, Aegean & Med. (Atlantic crossing probably by Tanker delivery!).
We are concentrating on long range blue-water pilothouse/trawlers with low
bridge clearances. The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and almost no
cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be compatible
with our need to live mostly on the decks! Is the Kadey Krogen hull design
really superior? Is the hull of the Selene 47 sufficient for the waters we
plan on cruising? We love both boats and can see why owners fall in love
with both of them!
Would anyone like to join a discussion on this? Our last boat was a Marine
Trader, but this time we're serious!
Barb & Don
Reno, Nevada.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:14:13 -0700
From: "Ken Williams" <ken at kensblog.com>
Subject: Re: [PUP] Selen or Kadey Krogen?
To: "'Barbara Wilkinson '" <xbrit at charter.net>,
<passagemaking-under-power at lists.samurai.com>
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"... We are trying to decide between a Kadey Krogen 42 Widebody (later
model) or
a Selene 47 2000 model.... The Nordhavns seems to have high stacks and
almost no cockpit. Although they are awesome boats, they don't seem to be
compatible with our need to live mostly on the decks! ..."
Barb & Don:
It might be beyond your budget, and possibly a waste of time, but before
giving up on Nordhavn, you might want to check out the used Nordhavn 62
market. There is an extreme amount of exterior deck space, and it's a pretty
tough world out there right now. My guess is that an old N62 could be picked
up cheaper than you think, and that sellers will grumble a lot, but take
seriously offers that they would have laughed at a year ago.
-Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci
(former N62 owner)
PS That said, I haven't actually looked to see if any of the older N62s are
for sale...
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