[PUP] Rights and responsibilities
John Marshall
johnamar1101 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 31 12:10:42 EDT 2009
The idea of "pay for rescue" would cause some people to delay asking
for help when they really needed it. Bad idea.
However, the premise underlying all of this is that people are largely
prudent, but sometimes the weather or their boat or their health goes
downhill in unexpected fashion and overwhelms them.
I believe the state, when there is evidence of gross imprudence,
should be able intervene before a rescue is required.
But this largely applies to advertised and promoted stunts (like the
13 year old girl) where they have visibility to the event. Clearly,
some people go to sea in a boat that doesn't belong there without
advertising the event. Can't help that, but the state can and should
intervene when we're talking folly.
Of course, that begs the question of where the line is drawn.
Even the casual student of governments will deduce that rules and laws
and bureaucracy grow in proportion to the number of incidents they are
designed to protect us from. If its an occasional idiot, then nobody
is going to create a huge bureaucracy to deal with it. But if this
became a common event, it would inevitably lead to licensing and
permits and who knows what else.
Classic example... car seats for children. Long after they were
available, many parents refused to buy them or use them. I think there
were even financial incentives at the beginning to help parents buy
them. Rumors abounded that claimed they were actually injurious (a
rare case of a kid being trapped in a burning car). But many didn't,
and kids were getting needlessly massacred on the highways. The
government finally put in place laws and enforcement to ensure parents
were protecting their kid
Same story for seat belts for adults.
I am fairly confident that if 99% of people had been prudent and
ensured they and their kids were properly secured and protected as
soon as the technology was available, then we wouldn't have laws
mandating it.
In the end, its our responsibility as citizens and mariners to act
prudently so that the government won't have to protect us from
ourselves.
Anyway, my two cents.
John Marshall
On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:29 AM, <2elnav at netbistro.com> wrote:
> The recent case of the courst stopping a 13 year old girl from
> embarking on a round the world sail as a stunt to capture the
> record of being the youngest person to sail solo around the world
> raises some serious issues for all cruisers.
>
> Does a state have the right to limit its liabilities for SAR
> efforts if the actions of one or more people place them at risk
> and requires the intervention of SAR assets and attendant
> expenditure.
>
> Does the state have the obligation to save people from their own
> folly or lack of judgement and skills.
>
> When the media gets wind of some disaster at sea requiring the
> rescue of boats and their crews by the nearest SAR assets, there
> is always a great outpouring of emotinal energy exhorting the
> utmost effort to rescue these poor people adrift at sea and in
> danger of drowning.
>
> There would be a great outcry if the authority in question said
> "sorry but we already spent all the money available".
>
> But look at it from the other side. Sometimes these people are
> not even citizens of the country that is expected to rescue them.
> Suggestions have been made to make the people being rescued
> responsibel for the costs involved. These suggestions have
> invariably been denounced by the press and people generally.
>
> If people are to have the freedom to risk their own lives should
> they not also bear the responsibility to pay for their own action
> even if this incurs great expense?
>
> If the state is not allowed to limit its liability then it follows
> they should have the right to limit the possibility of such
> expenses being necessary. In other words a prudent prevention
> program.
>
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