[PUP] PPM Stability

Tue Nov 11 22:43:28 EST 2008

NO No SPRINGERS were first used to spring birds up into nets, back before
bows and arrows were even invented.  And then when shotguns came along
springers did too but nowadays they also retrieve when trained for it.
   Yes, I'm referring to 12 guage, but, when loaded for 7/8 oz, it
duplicates a 20.  I'm not good enough for 410 yet.  Oh, I own two SKBs,
a Rotwild, a Browning, and a Perazzi.  The SKB is probably the best but
the Perazzi is sure purty.....

George

> Possibly, powerboats of our type are just so much more diverse than other
> kinds of boats that a PPM would be difficult to define. One fellow wants a
> bluewater boat that can also gunkhole and the next guy wants a shallow
> draft
> boat that can go across oceans. The defining characteristic here is the
> abilty
> to cross big water, and the owners acceptance of the compromizes required
> for
> that.  Great big windows won't work, but they're great at the dock.
> Shallow
> draft is good in the lake but is a liabilty offshore. It's kinda cool
> sitting
> on top of a weddin cake boat in calm water, not so much fun in a beam sea.
> I
> definitely agree that some companies are selling boats as the do all end
> all
> of ocean capable passagemakers, and maybe they are that, I don't know
> myself,
> but lots of other less hyped boats are out there doin it to. I do think
> that
> the compromizes we make for the PPM should err toward the ocean capable
> side.
> I would not know about 1&1/8 ounce loads (that's a rather large bore isn't
> it)
> as I shoot a .410 custom shop Winchester lever gun at birds. I would also
> disagree that springers are the oldest hunting dog breed. Setters hold
> that
> distinction, of which I have owned a bunch, and pointers, brits,
> shorthairs,
> wirehairs, etc, I was a birdhunting guide for 15 years, and am very
> opinionated about this (fascinating) stuff. I would love to discuss boats,
> birds and bourbon with George in person some day.> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008
> 18:08:13 -0800> From: design at georgebuehler.com> To:
> passagemaking-under-power at lists.samurai.com> Subject: [PUP] PPM Stability>
> >
> Bob you silver tongued thang Ok, I'll answer this but I ain't getting >
> into
> regular postings. > You folks need to realize this whole SUBJECT is
> ridiculous. Ya know > why? because there is NO SUCH THING as a PPM. And
> the
> reason for that > is there are many many different ideas about what people
> want to do > cruising. Each one has a boat that to be "ideal" must meet
> different > criteria, and few overlap to being ideal for something else
> and
> not one > of them is "better" than another one because each specialized
> idea
> is > just that; a specialized idea. And when that specialized idea is put
> in >
> a different situation than what it is ideal for then suddenly it isn't >
> ideal, but often can do it. IDLEWILD was ideal for the start of the >
> trip. I
> suspect she was pretty good doing the NW Passage too because > she could
> run
> up on ice and was less likely to get frozen in. But I'm > not brave enough
> for
> that record making passage she made to Australia, > even though shallow
> light
> boats, when handled competently, are very > safe. The Vikings proved that
> one
> 1,000 years ago. Me, I want brute > strength in inclement situations.> Do
> you
> see? Nobody can say they have the "PPM." All they can say > is they have a
> PPM
> for what their intended use is. So you must decide > what type of cruising
> you
> want to do then pick a design planned out for > that use.> Far to many
> designers and production factories push pure hype that > what they do is
> the
> Cat's Ass. From my point of view many are actually > dangerous in many
> situations, and almost all are ridiculously > complicated and expensive..
> But
> to each his own. Hate seeing folks get > sucked in to things I KNOW are so
> often an overpriced mistake but it > ain't my bidness....> OK, that's all
> I
> got to say about that. Now I got to get back > reading up about shotguns
> and
> bird dogs. Did you know that English > Springers like my boy Bodacious are
> the
> oldest domesticated hunting > dog? And full chokes and 7/8 oz loads
> explode
> clay targets as good as > the normal 1-1//8 oz and IM chokes but of course
> require a more exact > aim. Fascinating stuff!> > George> > bob england
> wrote:> > >"go boff the neighbors dog" classic Beuhler. And yes, that was
> toned down. I> >for one am honored to have George post on this list. Maybe
> if
> we offend him> >enough (it'll take a lot) he will continue to write. His
> boats
> have Ben (pun> >intended) the world over and continue to do so today. He
> advocates building> >cheap but capable and has designs that are proven to
> be
> cheap and CAPABLE. His> >boats may not be featured in Norhavn iIlustrated
> (passagemaker), but they are> >still out there quietly getting the job
> done.
> Geoge Buehler would be a great> >help in designing the PPM, and along with
> our
> other illustrious contributors,> >could lend credence to our cause.>
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