[PUP] PPM design

[Bo Leonard]

Hey Ken

IKm sure you're ready to get SS home, so close but so far away.

What do you think of the Dashew's FPB's? Noticed that he has no wheel, do you think he depends on AP and engines for stearage?

Bo

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Subject: Re: [PUP] PPM design

John Marshall said: "To be honest, I'd like to see the price floor raised
closer to two million dollars to make this project fun. At that price, we
can do some cool stuff. At $500K, existing boats like Diesel Ducks and
Nordhavn 46's are probably about as good as you are going to get...."

Grin. Now you understand why I mentioned focusing on something that could
"resale" at an affordable price point. These things get expensive quickly!

Actually, I just did a quick survey to see what used trawlers sell for, and
even used boats cost a bunch of money. As you said, we may want to target
something closer to $2 million.

Used Nordhavn 46:  $485,000 to $715,000
Used Nordhavn 47: $905,000 to  $1,499,000 
Used Selene 43: $499,000 to $725,000 
Used Selene 47: $499,000 to $629,000 
Used Krogen 48: $775,000 to $1,185,000
Used Nordhavn 55: $1,400,000 to $1,899,000

$500,000 doesn't get you much, even in the used market.

I didn't put much time into this quick survey, and I'm sure there are great
passagemakers out there that I didn't list. Plus, actual sales prices can
vary from online listings (especially in today's market). However, this does
give us a quick sense of what is possible at different price points.

Interestingly, three N46 owners on this list have made the claim that they
already own the "perfect passagemaker", and they may not be fibbing. The N46
is the lowest cost boat on this list, and, yet they rack up a lot of miles!
Nordhavn has been tracking mileage achieved by Nordhavn owners,
http://www.nordhavn.com/distance_pennant, and of the thirty N46s they track,
the average mileage is over 17,000 miles.

I did do a quick check of the pricing on Dashew's FPB 64, since several
people have mentioned it. $2 million. 

The more you spend, the more you get. I'm ok with any price point we want to
design for. There are no wrong answers, and even tiny boats can cross oceans
if well designed, and you pick your weather (34 row boats have crossed the
Atlantic...). 

-Ken Williams
www.kensblog.com
Sans Souci, N68
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