[PUP] Ships Stores in the PNW
John Marshall
johnamar1101 at gmail.com
Fri Dec 19 12:09:12 EST 2008
That sounds normal... if, however, you'd said you had a couple of
cases of wine, it would have gone very differently.
You can have 1.5 liters of wine a person OR 40 ounces of hard liquor
per person OR 24 bottles of beer a person. Note the OR's, although
they don't object to mixes of the three as long as they more or less
add up. For example, a bottle of wine per person and twelve beers a
person.
If you are just a bit over the booze allowance, they'll usually let it
pass with a reminder of the limits. But if you're much over, then the
duty game begins.
By the way, Canpass is a special trusted traveler document you have to
apply for in advance, which allows you to enter Canada without landing
at a custom's dock. You can call from your boat cellphone instead of
the dockside phones. The US equivalent is the I68, although both are
gradually being superseded by a newer program called Nexus.
In contrast, the number they give you on the phone after you clear is
a Clearance number, not a Canpass number. You have to display it in a
window where it's visible from the dock when tying up, or give it
Canadian CG if they hail you.
The tendency is for people to understate the booze on board during
phone reporting. But be aware, they do actually come down and check
boats very thoroughly, although not often. But when they do, they are
more intrusive than Homeland Security in the US. I've known people who
had their boats gone through for hours, also boats they've chosen to
unleash their new Customs trainees on by having them by practicing an
intrusive search (in Bedwell Harbor, BC no less).
They also keep detailed computer records on your crossings and the
names of people who routinely travel on your boat, and if you are
inspected and found to have misstated what's on your boat, a red flag
is put on your name or boat. Having a red-flagged passenger on board
is also bad. Then the easy, friendly, "welcome to Canada, glad you
came" telephone customs thing becomes physical cavity search time
forever more.
Stories:
One friend (from rural Utah) who has always carried a handgun in his
car door once forgot about it when crossing the border by car. When
the Canadians asked him about firearms, he remembered that handguns
are never, EVER allowed and told them about it. They surrounded his
car as he got out, hands up, after telling them where the weapon was.
They completely searched the car, taking the weapon. But when he said
he'd turn around and go back to US, they gave the now unloaded weapon
back with a strong warning. He later crossed into Canada on our boat
(without the weapon, of course) and I was worried about him being red-
flagged, but he wasn't. They recognized the honest mistake and his
cooperation and didn't penalize him.
On the other hand, some friends of ours once traveled south from
Alaska to the Canadian Queen Charlotte Islands, assuming they could
clear Canada Customs there. Unfortunately, there wasn't a Customs dock
in the Queen Charlottes at the time. When they called Canada Customs
over in Prince Rupert to try and report in by phone (that's the
closest 365days/24hour customs location), they were told they had to
travel across Queen Charlotte Strait immediately to clear in Prince
Rupert, and then return to the Queen Charlottes. The one-way distance
is 93 miles, so their request was ridiculous, especially given it was
late in the day and it was starting to blow. Our friends refused to
cross that nasty body of water at night, claiming they were exhausted
and safety issues. Customs was not amused by their refusal. They made
them call back every few hours all night and then demanded they come
over first thing in the morning -- it was still blowing fairly hard --
and then hassled them to no end. Bottom line, they'd broken the rules
by landing at the wrong place and then "refused to cooperate".
Don't get me wrong, entering Canada with telephone clearance at their
custom's docks (even without CanPass or Nexus) has always been easier
for us than re-entering the US, where a CBP agent will generally come
onto our boat. Play strictly by the rules, and Canada customs is
incredibly friendly, helpful, easy and quick. They really act as if
they want you there (as opposed to Homeland Security, who act like
suspicious gatekeepers). But if you get caught breaking the rules, or
you refuse a Customs request, even a ridiculous one like with our
friends in the Queen Charlottes, you quickly find that the friendly
kitten truly has fangs and has no qualms about using them.
It isn't worth the risk for those of us who cross the border
constantly. You gotta stay squeaky clean and not be seduced by the
easy telephone check-in.
John Marshall
Serendipity - Nordhavn 55
Sequim Bay, WA
On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:42 AM, Paul W. Weakley wrote:
> We crossed into Canada at Kingston, ONT this past July. We cleared
> customs
> by telephone. Never saw a real person. We were asked about firearms,
> alcohol, cigarettes, pets and people. We had no firearms and no
> cigarettes,
> since we do not smoke. We did have several bottles of alcohol and
> beer. I
> told the customs agent we just had "ships stores". She asked, How
> Much? We
> told her just what we had and she had no further comments. She gave
> us our
> Canpass number, which we then wrote in our log and posted in our
> window. I
> was quite concerned when we brought back some of our US purchased
> alcohol
> and a few bottles of Canada purchased alcohol. The US customs never
> asked
> about alcohol. Most likely because the cost of alcohol products is
> about
> twice as expensive as in the US. Why would anyone smuggle booze
> from
> Canada into the US when it's twice as expensive?
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Paul
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