[PUP] PPM in general - what should it be ?

[Ross Anderson]

Hannu, my apologies, after re-reading the post I see you were talking
about others! God Bless - Ross 10&2

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Ross Anderson <10and2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Hannu, you want to go without radar when coastal? After cruising
> now for 60 years gunkholing and passaging for months on end I can tell
> you that radar is the one item I do not leave behind. Yep, the
> computers, nav programs, stabilizers, water makers, refrigerators,etc
> you can chuck over the rail but radar with all that traffic and fog
> along the coast - no thanks my hearing ain't what it used to be and I
> remember as a boy sailing off the Maine coast the "thump thump thump"
> of an old fish trawler crossing our bow in a fog you couldn't see the
> bow through.  I agree with you on your assessment of most production
> "Passage makers" but  depart on items that improve safety and ones
> sense of humor. Yep, I even receive AIS now. God Bless - Ross 10&2
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:43 AM, hannu venermo <hanermo at a2002sl.com> wrote:
>> John M -
>> great post about the sales tactics.
>> And I agree on the sales and also on the value aspect.
>>
>> I have never disparaged the business model or products of these
>> builders, on the contrary.
>> The boats are good, and represent value for money, for their target market.
>>
>> Their target market is obviously older, wealthy, inexperiecned people
>> who want to "try trawlering" and value seemingly important things like
>> sub-zero refrigerators and "apparent safety" and "systems" - here,some
>> irony is intended.
>> Apparently, they have sold well, and retain their value well - good for
>> them !
>>
>> Builders build what the market wants. The market does not want safe,
>> reliable, dependable, cheap-to-maintain items. It *does not*. This is in
>> contrast to what many are saying, but not what people are buying.
>> What the market wants is what people are buying-
>> gizmos, "systems", "looks", "Danfoss compressors" ie trademarks etc.
>> (like "lewmar winches" in sailboats) and other similar stuff.
>> Therefore, this is what people are sold.
>>
>> It is not hard, in engineering terms, to build reliable cheap to
>> maintain stuff.
>> And, in contrast to what you might think, it4s not expensive. Yachty
>> stuff is grossly overpriced, but on looks not performance, in general.
>> About the 1 thing that is reliable and dependable are the transmissions
>> and engines.
>>
>> Just read a post from a gentleman who says would not go to sea without
>> some $$ gizmo (Iridium sat phone)
>> Some have said the same for radars.
>> I disagree, so does the commercial world (most coastal trawlers do not
>> have radar), but let everyone buy whatever they want.
>>
>> Defining what You want to do, where and how, is the nr1 issue I believe.
>> If we are going to continue on the PPM thread we should have a consensus
>> on what we are trying to do;
>> When this was proposed, few suggestions appeared.
>>
>> As I prefer to do, I will make suggestions, even though they may not
>> sometimes by appreciated - or so it seems at times.. (grin)
>>
>> To cap;
>> This is a PPM
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 1. I believe the PPM should be cheap, safe, reliable, rugged, economical
>> to operate.
>> 2. I believe it should have all the household comforts, or the provision
>> of easily and cheaply installing and or adding them.
>> 3. I believe it should be easy and cheap to maintain and keep running.
>>
>> How to do this, I will comment on later.
>> This affects systems, looks, materials, engineering. Everything stems
>> from the goal, the mission statement if you will.
>>
>> Please define what you want in the PPM.
>> If, and by all means define Your preferences for 1-3, these goals are
>> accepted, these are my conclusions.
>>
>> This makes a PPM;
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> 6:1 L/W ratio
>> Heavy
>> Standardisation in mechanical engineering.
>> Steel
>> Redundancy in mechanical aspects as much as practical
>> All components are extremely fit for purpose and chosen for long-term
>> reliability and capacity
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