[PUP] Krogen 55 Expedition vs Dashew FPB64

[Scott Bulger]

I wonder what the base price of the Krogenn 55 and the Dashew FPB64 are?  I
believe a Nordhavn 55 is usd $1.3M, but you can tack on another $250k -
$500k to fit it out.

What I really wonder is if Dashew will bring his boat to the market at an
attractive price, considering how he plans to deliver it, complete.  I
assume he's trying to do the same thing Ruben did with the Island Pilot and
drive cost down by standardizing and minimizing the variables.  It will be
very interesting to see if they can pull it off.  I don't think Dashew is
known for providing particularly "value priced alternatives"?

It's interesting, FPB64 seems to have gained some beam compared to the
FPB84?  I didn't have time to look at the specs, but to a laymans eye it
looks like it has more relative beam?

I wonder how these boats compare to the long thin trawler Bruce Jones is
building in Turkey?  Bruce, care to comment?

It's interesting that you now have some real alternatives for passage
capable yachts.  It's also interesting that Dashew has taken such a diverse
path.  I wonder how many couples will opt for the purpose built
functionality of the FPB64 versus the luxury and accommodations of the K55
or N55?  I sure think a couple could handle the FPB64 more easily than one
of the monster 55's towering off the water.  What I would REALLY like to see
is a plot of accelerometer readings for several boats in the same sea state.
Dashew claims to slice through the waves while big fat trawlers are reported
to pound into them.  How he engineers a boat to surf downswell is beyond me.
I guess it's his sailboat knowledge and experience.  Seems to me that sharp
pointy bow would bury itself in a heartbeat resulting in a pitch pole or
broach.  Finally I wonder how many couples there are out their making
passages?  I'll have a better feel for the demographics as we head south in
a few weeks.  If 50% of the boats out there are couples only, how big a boat
is really needed?


Scott Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA




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Subject: Re: [PUP] New Krogen 55 Expedition

Ok, I spoke to Larry Polster of Krogen Yachts about a few of the  
questions initially.  I'm sure one of them can jump on and answer the  
questions if we want.

1) The hull construction is identical to the 58, 48, 44, and 39.
2) The boat uses the same hull design(canoe shaped).
3) The reasons given for the twins are that a single with a get home  
engine have:
	a) Less Draft(about a foot less)
	b) More speed in the event of a engine failure
	c) better stability in a following sea.
	d) just in case you want to know the boat is Triple skegged.
4) In answer to John of Seahorse's comment the boat has active  
stabilizers.
5) I believe they have already sold at least two sight unseen(I heard  
that a month or so ago) so it may be many more by now.
6) As of now I believe the flybridge is not a option.


FYI, I think the boat looks much like the 48 whaleback but updated  
and much better looking.  In fact one of the sales guys of Krogen  
jokingly refers to it as a "Uber Whaleback".
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