[PUP] Shipping a boat from Asia to North America

[Dr. Gordon Anderson]

Dear Dan & SuanNie:

I tried to find contact information for them by doing a Google search but
could find anything despite trying several different combinations.  If you
have any contact information on them I would appreciate having it forwarded
to me.

Thanks for responding to my call for help.

Gordon


 Alchemy
USCG Doc. No.: 1177849 - Station ID (MMSI): 367070010
Call Sign: WDC7347 - FRN: 0014000947
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Phone: + (615) 297-8289
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[mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of
Daniel Guenther
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:33 AM
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PUP] Shipping a boat from Asia to North America

In regard to the query about shipping a yacht from Asia to North America, in

1988 I shipped our (then new) Cheoy Lee EXCALIBUR from Hong Kong to
Baltimore.  We used the Barber Blue Sea shipping line.  They were extremely
competent and helpful, even to the point of calling me when their ship
entered the Chesapeake so we could fly over the ship and get some ariel
photos of the Excalibur on top of all those containers, and then drive up to

the port to watch the ship dock and our boat being unloaded.  The ship
actually loaded apx. a dozen boats from that part of Asia on top of their
containers, all bound for the Port of Baltimore.  Quite a sight to see all
those yachts strapped down up there.  They loaded the Excalibur in Hong
Kong, and it arrived on the U.S. East Coast with no damage whatsoever.

Dan & SuanNie
Excalibur;   55' Cheoy Lee
At the dock in Pompano


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>    1. Re: Shipping my boat from Asia to North America (Paul Goyette)
>    2. Med Bound 2007 Noon Report - June 18: Stabilizer problems
>       (Georgs Kolesnikovs)
>    3. Re: Med Bound 2007 Noon Report - June 18: Stabilizer problems
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:10:20 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Paul Goyette <paul@whooppee.com>
>Subject: Re: [PUP] Shipping my boat from Asia to North America
>To: alchemy@post.com,  Passagemaking Under Power List
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>Gordon,
>
>I used Yacht Path International to ship Gentle Wind from Florida to
>Ensenada, several years ago.  I was impressed with their personal
>attention to all of the details of the operation, even to the point
>where they arranged for a skipper and crew to assist me in moving the
>vessel from Fort Lauderdale to West Palm Beach when a stevedore's
>"labor action" made loading in FLL impossible.
>
>I highly recommend them - no financial or other interest, just a
>satisfied customer!
>
>BTW, unlike Dockwise, Yacht Path loads the boats on the deck of a
>freighter, and they build a custom cradle on-the-fly.  No float-on/
>float-off.  And everything is very securely tied down.
>
>On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Dr. Gordon Anderson wrote:
>
> > Has anyone out there shipped a yacht from Asia to a port in North
>America
> > and if you have do you have any recommendations/comments or thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> > I had booked and paid to have my vessel transported by Dockwise but they
> > recently informed me that they were delaying the voyage until February
>2008,
> > without giving me a very complete explanation.  Apparently the sea
>trials of
> > their new boat did not go very well.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a very good quote from a firm named Yacht Path International.
>Does
> > anyone know anything about them?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gordon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alchemy
> >
> > USCG Doc. No.: 1177849 - Station ID (MMSI): 367070010
> >
> > Call Sign: WDC7347 - FRN: 0014000947
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> > Owners: Gordon & Yu-ching Anderson
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:23:16 -0400
>From: Georgs Kolesnikovs <waterworld@rogers.com>
>Subject: [PUP] Med Bound 2007 Noon Report - June 18: Stabilizer
>	problems
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>Noon Report June 18, 2007
>
>Position 34-51.5.N 50-25.4 W as of 12:00 Atlantic time (GMT - 3 hrs)
>Monday, June 18, 2007
>Course 095 deg M
>Speed 5.9 kts @ 1700 RPM
>1,075 NM to go to Horta, Faial, Azores (59% of the way)
>Distance made good past 24 hours:  147 NM (6.1 kts)
>Distance made good since Bermuda: 743 NM (41% of the way)
>Total fuel consumed (122.3 engine hours) 460 gals, average 3.8 GPH
>(incl. genset), fuel remaining 1020 gal. (fuel used/remaining:
>31%/69%)
>Conditions: Wind 20-25 kts., swells 3-5 ft from 250 deg M, mostly
>cloudy with slight haze, visibility good.
>Barometer 1020.3 mb and steady.
>Sea water temp 74 deg F, air temp 81 deg F.
>ETA Horta: June 25, 2007
>
>What a difference a day makes!
>
>As the Med Bound fleet was overtaken by low pressure overnight,
>chasing away yesterday's flat seas and clear skies, our winds and
>cloud cover increased. Seas have built slowly to 3-5 feet on the
>starboard quarter and looking around we see whitecaps everywhere.
>Bob says there's some rain to come, possible thunderstorms.  It was
>all quite comfortable until Judy awakened me mid-morning with a
>report that we had a stabilizer alarm.  "Probably no big deal," I
>thought, as I pulled myself out of bed and made my way to the
>pilothouse.  But investigation and trouble-shooting led to my
>preliminary diagnosis which was confirmed by Naiad: the starboard
>side potentiometer, which tells the system how that fin is
>positioned, has failed or malfunctioned.  If the system's  software
>doesn't know the position of the fin, it cannot position the fin
>correctly-and that was what the alarm was telling us.  What does this
>mean?   Bluewater's port side stabilizer fin is out of business.  We
>do not carry a spare potentiometer, so for the next 1,000 miles or so
>we're down to a single working stabilizer fin to keep us on the
>level.  The good news is that a stabilization system like ours is
>about 80% as effective on a single fin as on two.
>
>Up on my soapbox for a minute.  If you've been to sea in a full
>displacement trawler like a Nordhavn, you know that good
>stabilization is a critical part of the equation.  Even without
>stabilizers, a vessel like ours is a most seaworthy creation.  It's
>not going to sink and it's not going to turn over.  But it will roll
>and roll and roll.  The roll is built right into the design, and
>nothing I've seen other than active fin stabilizers and their
>low-tech cousins, paravanes, can do much about that.
>
>When we began rolling more than normal today after the port
>stabilizer went south, George asked seriously whether this boat would
>"turn over."  To owners like Judy and me, both of us sailors for more
>than 40 years, that seems an odd question-but to someone with a lot
>fewer sea miles it's a legitimate one that deserves an answer.  As I
>explained to George today, the short answer is, NO.  No Nordhavn has
>ever turned over at sea and it's most unlikely that one ever will.
>Chief designer Jeff Leishman can give you the technical side, but the
>truth is that stability is designed in from the keel up, and it's
>physically impossible for a vessel like this to turn over (that is,
>roll to port or starboard) and not recover.  By the very nature of
>her design and the laws of physics, the farther she rolls in one
>direction, the greater the resistance to rolling.  She'll roll, but
>she'll always resist the roll and come back in the other direction,
>rolling to the other side.  That very stability is what makes her an
>uncomfortable yacht when stabilization is lost.
>
>The truth is that no Nordhavn has ever been lost at sea by sinking or
>"turning over".  That's just one of many reasons Judy and I own a
>Nordhavn and have enough confidence in the yacht to take her across
>an ocean!
>
>Stabilization in an ocean-going trawler yacht is much more than a
>comfort issue.  In truth it's a safety issue as well.  Yes, a trawler
>yacht like Bluewater can go to sea without stabilization, but the
>crew aboard such a yacht will be many times less comfortable and runs
>a much greater risk of injury from being tossed about in a seaway.
>On the other hand, a well stabilized yacht allows crewmembers more
>comfort, better rest and more of it, especially in heavy weather.   A
>crew with injuries or exhausted from lack of rest is a crew on the
>verge of making mistakes!
>
>As much as I love Bluewater's active fin stabilizers, I began this
>trip knowing that active fin stabilizers had been the Nordhavn
>Atlantic Rally's most troublesome mechanical system.  Crossing oceans
>is not for wimpy power boats or wimpy stabilizer systems.  In fact,
>it's my guess that a single ocean crossing aboard a trawler yacht
>probably subjects its active fin stabilization system to more stress
>than many stabilizer systems see in a lifetime.  That's one reason we
>outfitted Bluewater with a heavy-duty Naiad system designed for
>larger yachts than our 47 feet-but then ordered a backup system,
>paravanes, as well.   A paravane system requires a lot of rigging and
>it's not pretty to the eye of many owners, but as a backup
>stabilization system it has a lot going for it because it has no
>hydraulic, electrical, or electronic parts to break-the stabilization
>comes from towing heavy delta-wing paravanes through the water to
>resist rolling   Paravanes will definitely slow a yacht down when
>being used; our experience shows a speed loss of about 4/10 of a
>knot, something we do not experience with our Naiads.  But in most
>cases a more stable oceangoing yacht trumps a faster one.  So
>Bluewater continues on, confident that even if the other stabilizer
>packs it in, we'll have stabilization all the way to the Azores.  Our
>paravanes are stowed in fittings on our transom and our paravane
>poles were deployed in the ready position as we departed Bermuda, so
>we can launch paravanes in minutes if the need arises.
>
>Our two companion yachts, the N55s Moana Kuewa and Salty Dawg, both
>have TRAC stabilizer systems, a brand favored by many Nordhavn
>owners.  My own stabilizer experience-virtually all of it-is with
>Naiad, and in building Bluewater my decision was to stick with what I
>know.  Over more than 15 years of owning Naiads on two yachts I've
>had few stabilizer problems.  Anytime I have had a problem, however,
>never once has Naiad failed diagnose the problem quickly and get me
>up and running in short order.  It my experience it all comes down to
>one man: Vic Kuzmovich, former Naiad chief engineer and for the last
>15 years or so head of Naiad Florida.  To quote my friend Scott
>Flanders, another Naiad fan, Vic is the real deal-he does what he
>says and he stands behind his company's products like nobody else.
>Vic is my Naiad oracle!
>
>Bluewater's Naiad active fin stabilizer system is still under
>warranty, and I spoke with Vic today about the repair.  To a trained
>hydraulics guy, our Naiad system is a robust and simple system, and
>changing out a potentiometer ought to be a quick and easy task.  To a
>shade-tree mechanic like me, however, it's a different matter!   Do I
>have the skills to needed change the potentiometer and align it
>properly?  Perhaps with detailed instructions and help from
>crewmember George, whose mechanical skills leave mine in the slow
>lane, and  from Med Bound 2007 Chief Engineer Bernie Francis, whose
>principal technical skills are in diesel mechanics, I can pull it off.
>
>Meanwhile, we're rolling along nicely.  To be sure, we're rolling
>more than we would with two working fins, but Bluewater's crew
>remains a contented one and our loss of a stabilizer fin is best
>considered an inconvenience rather than a serious problem.
>
>--Milt, Judy, George and Schipperke Katy
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:27:46 -0400
>From: "Dave Cooper" <swansong@gmn-usa.com>
>Subject: Re: [PUP] Med Bound 2007 Noon Report - June 18: Stabilizer
>	problems
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>Milt wrote in part: ..... Chief designer Jeff Leishman can give you the
>technical side, but the truth is that stability is designed in from the
>keel
>up, and it's physically impossible for a vessel like this to turn over
>(that
>is, roll to port or starboard) and not recover.........>
>
>Wow, I have to believe that this is a misprint or misquote. Ether that or
>Jim/Milt haven't been to sea long enough to realize that there's a wave out
>there that will tear this kind of thinking to shreds.
>
>All small boats can roll over and do given enough time/exposure to the
>seas.
>Run a bad inlet on the wrong day and you can find this out. Be at sea in a
>big storm with confused breaking seas and you can find this out. Been there
>done that and have the mental images firmly burned in my mind. When the
>part
>labeled this side up is down and the bottom facing the sky you have get a
>better appreciation of the sea.
>
>Re stabilizers. The active fins seem to be brought up the most often of
>issues that turn these passages into more adventuress passages than any
>item. Milt mentions the two system that are available. I beg to differ with
>him as they may be only two that are available from Nordhavn there are
>other
>system that are available and work well, IMHO.
>
>Our stabilization tank was filled last August and hasn't been touched
>since.
>We have had nothing but positive results for it. It works 100% of the time
>whether underway or at anchor. It has performed well up to the 12-15' seas
>that we have been exposed to at this point. Does it have it limits? I'll
>bet
>it does but exactly where that might be I don't know. However we have 2 4"
>dump valves at each end to unload the 1500 lbs of water in a few seconds if
>required when we get pinned down on one side. Our righting moment is every
>bit as good as the Nordhavn from our stability tests and inclination tests
>that we were required to do before the tank was designed for us. Will Swan
>Song roll over??? You bet your a.. it would given the right sea!! Would it
>survive a roll? Most likely not as the glass, even at 3/8" and 1/2" isn't
>up
>to the pressure of a roll, IMO.
>
>We certainly aren't trying to take anything away from Milt and the Med
>Cruise. Good on ya all!! Crossing an ocean is tuff stuff in a small boat
>and
>isn't to be taken lightly.
>
>However, believing stuff like was in Milt's email can lead to having false
>expectations which can lead to not taking actions that might well need to
>be
>taken to deal with deteriorating conditions.
>
>As always YMMV.....
>Dave & Nancy
>Swan Song
>Roughwater 58
>Caribbean Cruise '07
>
>
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