[PUP] sue 16
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> 1. chart lists (Truelove39 at aol.com)
> 2. Territorial waters and innocent passage (Scott E. Bulger)
> 3. Admirality Law links (Scott E. Bulger)
> 4. Re: Territorial waters and innocent passage (Dave Cooper)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:57:38 EST
> From: Truelove39 at aol.com
> Subject: [PUP] chart lists
> To: scottebulger at gmail.com
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> Hi Scott:
>
> Greetings from rainy Trinidad!
>
> To Dave's and Bob's excellent posts, I might add:
>
> Sailing Directions and Coast Pilots are usually more up-to-date than most
> charts and I would certainly have them aboard, as well as a Reeds Caribbean
> Almanac.
>
> I would look into NIMA (DMA) charts, too.
>
> I don't recall what your plans are exactly, but if you venture east of a
> line from the west end of PR to the Columbia/Venezuela border, get the
> Imray-Iolaire charts which have the benefit of Don Street's years of experience on
> them.
>
> If you haven't already done so, I suggest you join the SSCA. There are
> hundreds of members cruising and their reports are up-to-date and are published
> in the Bulletin; you can ask specific questions on the web site boards; they
> have cruising stations in most foreign countries and can provide local info
> via email before you get there.
>
> Are you set up to receive Inmarsat-C SafeNet warnings and other info? We
> have a TT-3022D Capsat Fisheries unit on Seahorse that automatically receives,
> worldwide (you select the area), distress messages, navigational warnings
> (Research vessels towing long arrays, pirate activity, recent wrecks, navaids
> extinguished, missing, etc.) as well as NAVTEX. It also tracks your boat and
> has a feature to write and send a customized distress message. These services
> are free - all you need is the unit. See this page for more info on SafeNet:
> _http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/gmdss/snet.htm_
> (http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/gmdss/snet.htm)
>
> And when you get to the Caribbean, remember Don Street's famous words: "If
> you can see an island in the Bahamas, you're too close!"
>
> No connection.
>
> Happy cruising and Happy Holidays!
>
> Regards,
>
> John & Penny
> aboard "Truelove" in Trinidad
>
>
> > Dave provides sage advice, all of which I will follow to a T.
>
> I visited a boat here in LP and looked at charts that Maptech had provided
> in the last year or two and as Dave has suggested they are the same. So
> I've ordered a set of charts for the E side of CA and will stay with what I
> have for the W.
>
> Regarding all of Daves advice, I assure you, even though Ive invested in a
> fair amount of technology to aid my navigation, I take everything he says as
> golden. I don't want these charts so I can set my autopilot on a course and
> go to sleep. I want them so I have as much information at my disposal as I
> could possibly use. I also have the paper charts, which I even made sure
> were stacked in order of ports passed along the way.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:12:56 -0800
> From: "Scott E. Bulger" <scottebulger at gmail.com>
> Subject: [PUP] Territorial waters and innocent passage
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> Researching our trip North from the Panama Canal I came across a restriction
> in my insurance. The countries of Columbia (except offshore islands),
> Nicaragua and Cuba are restricted from coverage. I can neither sail through
> or to them or my policy is in breech (until 24hours after leaving). I found
> the internationally recognized territorial limit is 12 miles. I also found
> language in a reference to Admiralty Law that exempted the enforcement of
> restrictions against territorial limits for "Innocent Passage"
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocent_passage
>
>
>
> I may not quite have phrased the above correctly, but the net of this (to my
> understanding) is I can transit the international waters of a country as
> long as I don't impeded the countries peace, security or good order. I also
> believe I can anchor if necessary to maintain safety and security of the
> vessel.
>
>
>
> I don't think this would allow me to go to Cuba, but it would allow me to
> worry less about standing off the country as we go by on the way to Key
> West. I still need to verify this with Al Golden, but I thought the
> research and especially the wiki pages on innocent passage and admiralty law
> might be of interest to others.
>
>
>
> An idea I had for a great book (and encourage Capt. Mike Maurice to write)
> is a treatment of what it means to be the Captain of a private yacht
> involved in international travel. I asked Mike if I could marry someone on
> my boat and he pondered the question for some time. I wonder how many other
> "technicalities" there are out there that are not obvious to a guy like me
> that's too busy worrying about keeping his boat running to be fully informed
> of the law (law evolved over centuries of boats plying the oceans of the
> world). I do think there is a book in there somewhere!
>
>
>
> Best wishes to all of you for a joyous holiday (in my case Christmas) and a
> healthy and safe New Year!
>
>
>
> Scott and Marian Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA
>
> Currently in Puerto Vallarta (not La Paz!) Mexico
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:28:17 -0800
> From: "Scott E. Bulger" <scottebulger at gmail.com>
> Subject: [PUP] Admirality Law links
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> Wow!
>
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>
> http://www.admiraltylawguide.com/
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> FYI
>
>
>
> Scott Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:09:33 -0400
> From: "Dave Cooper" <swansong at gmn-usa.com>
> Subject: Re: [PUP] Territorial waters and innocent passage
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> <Scott wrote in part: The countries of Columbia (except offshore islands),
> Nicaragua and Cuba are restricted from coverage.>
>
> The insurance companies are in general using outdated info to cover their
> exposure, IMHO. Columbia for at least the past year hasn't had any instance
> of armed aggression against yachts or the "pirating" of them. Wish we could
> say that of the rest of the Caribbean.
>
> Passing thru territorial waters may or may not be considered OK by a
> particular country. It is up to them to define what they consider "innocent
> passage". Those run by more authoritarian types can be a problem. Quite
> often a new election, a new Port Commandant(Captain in some areas) or muscle
> flexing can lead to easier or tighter restrictions.
>
> As John said earlier the SSB cruising nets, the SCCA books and in some cases
> the VHF nets can offer the most up to date information re a specific place
> or action. OTOH, often this information needs to be carefully filtered by
> the listener.
>
> I would ask Al to specifically define what your insurance says/means for any
> passage that you feel might have a grey area re your coverage.
>
> This is but one more of the reasons we choose self insurance. Our
> destinations are not limited by some underwriter sitting at a map of the
> world wondering where he can reduce or eliminate coverage without cutting
> into the revenue stream of writing policies.
>
> We have been to both Cuba and Columbia and will be back cruising in Columbia
> next fall/winter if all goes well. Perhaps Cuba too after Jan 09 depending
> on the US election results.
>
> We do have liability insurance and thru Al.
>
> As always YMMV......
>
>
> Dave & Nancy
> Swan Song
> Roughwater 58
>
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