[PUP] design build thingie

Wed Aug 1 23:27:50 EDT 2007

I too went through the same thought process as Alan Wagner, however my needs 
and situation are a little different and we ended up with a Diesel Duck from 
Seahorse Marine.

We do not have children to consider, and guests can jolly well deal with the 
smallish forward cabin on the 462 Duck. The interior on the Seahorse version 
is not dorm like at all and suits my simple taste quite well. Note that the 
Seahorse version of the 462 is unique to this manufacturer and has a couple 
of features not per the standard Bheuler design. As I am hull 7, the design 
evolved a bit and seems well sorted out now.

Like Randal Johnston, one feature that caught my attention was value for 
money at the time of my deposit in Dec 05. For those of you earning and 
spending USD it matters naught, but one of my major buying decisions awas 
that I had sufficent USD to do the deal, with the view that the USD would 
steadily depreciate against other curriences. Time has proven correct on 
this and my 2 currencies of CAD and THB have appreciated 20% against the 
USD. Granted there is a currency escalation clause in my contract but the 
Chinese do not seem in a big rush to revaluate the RMB so this has not been 
a factor.

I am a Canadian and thought about a Canadian builder, but with the opinion 
that CAD would be at par with the USD around the the 2 year construction 
procedure, was a risk that I did not want to take. Perhaps most importantly 
I wanted to spend my USD.

Like Alan, I got Arild involved early on in the process and could not have 
been more pleased. Since I do not have a get home engine and rely on a 
motorsailor rig for this function, I could not use the trick of a DC genset 
off the get home engine. I did however use 2ea. 140A @ 24V Leece Neville  
alternators driven off the 4045 TFM Deere main and 2 Victron 
inverters/chargers plus a 100A Victron charger. With a little energy 
management, the boat can be run off the inverters, aircons and all while the 
Deere is running. All that charging power will recharge the AGM house 
batteries while making water and doing the wash daily when at anchor.

One could do worse than employing Arlid and I highly recommend his services.
My only regret is that the Seahorse Duck 562 was not in production at that 
time, but then again it is a bit more money than I could spend on a boat 
anyway.

Robert Straghan
Diesel Duck 462 - "Mo Chuisle"

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>    3. Bad fuel (bob Austin)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:02:23 -0400
>From: "brian eiland" <beiland at usa.net>
>Subject: Re: [PUP] Arild and the design build "thing"
>To: Passagemaking Under Power List
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>Brian ask:
>Where is Arid Jensen located and do you have an email for him??
>
>Brian Eiland
>beiland at usa.net
>www.RunningTideYachts.com
>distinctive expedition yachts
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>------ Original Message ------
>Received: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:12:40 PM EDT
>From: "Alan Wagner" <Wagner.Florida at verizon.net>
>To: <passagemaking-under-power at lists.samurai.com>
>Subject: [PUP] Arild and the design build "thing"
>
>
>  I was sitting here tonight talking with Debbie about my recent post on 
>our
>
>design adventure and, in doing so, I realized that I would be horribly
>remise not to mention our very own listee, Arild Jensen, who I got involved
>
>after the Kasten design was nearly finished and right as were selecting a
>builder.
>
>Arild explored some alternative get home, electrical propulsion ideas I had
>
>(that in the end were not practical), but in doing so I hired him to design
>
>the electrical details of Passage of Time and he did a marvelous job. It is
>
>an often overlooked area that is most frequently left by the designer to 
>the
>
>builder. Arild really focused me on the entire electrical setup, looked at
>what I had put on my specifications list and made some hugely significant
>suggestions in changing the refridge and air conditioning system components
>
>for better energy usage.
>
>In the end I think I ended up with a very elegant electrical design that I
>am thoroughly delighted with and which is in many respects quite unique.
>Thanks to Arild, I was able to scrap the third engine (the stand alone
>generator). My "get home" engine doubles as the generator, but delivers DC
>power, not AC, to the batteries and the inverters via two huge alternators
>(it's a 24v boat). The John Deere main engine has an identical pair of big
>alternators, so whenever the main is running the entire boat is fully
>powered as if there was a generator running, but there isn't. When the main
>
>is running, for instance, the air conditioner is available if we want to
>stay cool, without the need to start the generator (the wing).
>
>Arild was a gold mine of help on an extremely important part of the design
>and I hope that he forgives me in failing to mention him before this.
>
>Alan Wagner
>Tampa
>With Passage of Time under construction
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:10:39 -0700
>From: "Scott Bulger" <scottebulger at gmail.com>
>Subject: [PUP] Operating a Tender, safety
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>I have the opportunity to install a Unihelm in my tender if I make a
>decision quickly.  The Unihelm will enable me to sit and face forward,
>steering and operating the throttle/gears with a console rather than 
>sitting
>sideways on the tube of my RIB.  The downside is adding weight and taking 
>up
>room in the tender.  My question is do people commonly opt for operating
>their tender from the tube or is  a console that much of a safety
>improvement that it's the norm?  I'm a bit concerned about dragging the
>tender up on a beach and keeping it as simple as possible.  I tend to
>overcomplicate things  J
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>Scott Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:08:20 -0500
>From: "bob Austin" <thataway4 at cox.net>
>Subject: [PUP] Bad fuel
>To: "Passage under power"
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>I once picked up bad fuel, which lead me to consider the  following
>precautions:
>We never took on fuel if the storage tanks were near empty.
>We tried to take on fuel where the fishing or commercial boats got their
>supplies, with high volumes of fuel pumped.
>We looked for signs that the fuel filters on the pumps were changed 
>regularly
>We would take a small sample in a clear container, or in a larger container
>and pour into a clear container before going ahead with filling tanks.
>We did use a multi stage filter. An origional box type Baja filter--held 
>about
>5 gallons of fuel, with successively finer screens, and a small ridge 
>between
>the fill piple and bottom of the filter, so that any water could be seen, 
>and
>trapped.  The problem with this is that it makes fueling slower than 
>normal.
>
>We self contaminated fuel, when we had the vent under water for a prolonged
>time, (motorsailor) and picked up salt water in the tank.  In this case,
>fortunately we had less than half of our tanks full, and ran the 
>contaminated
>fuel thru our onboard polishing system, into the good tank until we were
>getting badly contaminated fuel--and then we opened the tank man hole.  The
>remainder of the material was pumped into containers--and I'll have to 
>admit
>dumped at sea.  We then cleaned the bottom of the tanks with paper towels, 
>and
>transfered the fuel back to the tank--we also made sure that all of the 
>fuel
>lines were clear of contaminated fuel.
>
>I am aware of Steve Dashew's thoughts that his costs of operation for his 
>last
>sailboat were more than for the most recent passagemaker. I have the 
>greatest
>respect for Steve and Linda.  But one has to understand both how and where
>they sail, as well as their various philosophies. Also consider how much 
>each
>of his boats cost to build.   We have made a number of ocean crossings with
>the only fuel use being 50 gallons for generator and manuevering at origin 
>and
>destination of the passage.
>
>Bob Austin
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:04:16 -0400
>From: "Ron Rogers" <rcrogers6 at kennett.net>
>Subject: Re: [PUP] Arild and the design build "thing"
>To: "Passagemaking Under Power List"
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>elnav at telus.net He's in Vancouver, BC; but can develop plans for you 
>without
>being at the boat. He is very, very good - at least the USCG trusts him to
>solve their problems on the new 47' MLB.
>
>Ron Rogers
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "brian eiland" <beiland at usa.net>
>To: "Passagemaking Under Power List"
><passagemaking-under-power at lists.samurai.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [PUP] Arild and the design build "thing"
>
>
>| Brian ask:
>| Where is Arid Jensen located and do you have an email for him??
>|
>| Brian Eiland
>| beiland at usa.net
>| www.RunningTideYachts.com
>| distinctive expedition yachts
>| __________________________________________________________
>|
>|
>| ------ Original Message ------
>| Received: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:12:40 PM EDT
>| From: "Alan Wagner" <Wagner.Florida at verizon.net>
>| To: <passagemaking-under-power at lists.samurai.com>
>| Subject: [PUP] Arild and the design build "thing"
>|
>|
>| I was sitting here tonight talking with Debbie about my recent post on 
>our
>|
>| design adventure and, in doing so, I realized that I would be horribly
>| remise not to mention our very own listee, Arild Jensen, who I got
>involved
>|
>| after the Kasten design was nearly finished and right as were selecting a
>| builder.
>|
>| Arild explored some alternative get home, electrical propulsion ideas I
>had
>|
>| (that in the end were not practical), but in doing so I hired him to
>design
>|
>| the electrical details of Passage of Time and he did a marvelous job. It
>is
>|
>| an often overlooked area that is most frequently left by the designer to
>the
>|
>| builder. Arild really focused me on the entire electrical setup, looked 
>at
>| what I had put on my specifications list and made some hugely significant
>| suggestions in changing the refridge and air conditioning system
>components
>|
>| for better energy usage.
>|
>| In the end I think I ended up with a very elegant electrical design that 
>I
>| am thoroughly delighted with and which is in many respects quite unique.
>| Thanks to Arild, I was able to scrap the third engine (the stand alone
>| generator). My "get home" engine doubles as the generator, but delivers 
>DC
>| power, not AC, to the batteries and the inverters via two huge 
>alternators
>| (it's a 24v boat). The John Deere main engine has an identical pair of 
>big
>| alternators, so whenever the main is running the entire boat is fully
>| powered as if there was a generator running, but there isn't. When the
>main
>|
>| is running, for instance, the air conditioner is available if we want to
>| stay cool, without the need to start the generator (the wing).
>|
>| Arild was a gold mine of help on an extremely important part of the 
>design
>| and I hope that he forgives me in failing to mention him before this.
>|
>| Alan Wagner
>| Tampa
>| With Passage of Time under construction
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