[PUP] Scelenes vs Nordhavns

[bob england]

Can either of these types of boats, and similar voyaging boats handle a
knockdown and recover. How about a barrell roll. I'm not being sarcastic, I
want to know the facts, and, I really like both of them, they just look
awesome !> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:17:27 +0200> From: mygoleen@gmail.com>
To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Scelenes
vs Nordhavns> > Hi Bob (and all),> > You wrote:"Nordhavn has done this
brilliantly in their marketing and> advertising campaigns."> > Yes, they
certainly do and I feel that after we purchase a boat, it is our>
responsibility too to keep her in good shape and visiting the 'engine room'>
often and not only when things goes wrong, is a MUST!> > You said:"One needs
to either be able to fix them, or do without"> > Absolutely! On Goleen we keep
our engine room not only sparkling clean, if> possible, but with an eye on
everything at all times to spot signs of wear> and tear. OF COURSE, THINGS CAN
GO WRONG NO MATTER, AND NOT ONLY ON THE> ENGINE ROOM!> > On passages, we visit
the engine room very often and Chris measure> temperatures, search places for
possible leaks, fuel levels, fuel filters> and so on.> I hardly even hear
music on board when we are on a passage because I like to> hear if the engine
'sound' is the same or if it changed in any way, which is> one of the first
signs of trouble ahead, if it changes.> I do appreciate that it is difficult
for any of us, and even for the> 'engeneer's types' to know it all, but one
need to be prepared to take> action and do something on the spot and
sometimes, FAST.> > We had problems before that we didn't know how to fix it
immediately so, we> opened the manual and read' or made a phone call and
listened.> If one is prepared mentally, physically and emotionally for this
kind of> event to happen, it should be fine, and THAT is why I keep banging on
the> key on this forum that talking about HOW we cope ( and not ONLY about
'WHAT> WE DO') in adversity is important too. In the end it will be our
mental> state that will save the technical issues (and ourselves) when 'push
comes> to shave', in MY opinion.> > Just to illustrate:> On Yachting World,
April edition, 'Run down at Night', pg 80/85, Clark Beek> wrote about his
experience of his 40ft ketch Condesa been run down by> a freighter:> > > Pure
Panic paragraph:> *"Let me state for the record that I am not proud of what I
did. This was> one act of pure panic.*> *...I did a freestyle sprint at a
speed only possible when that sort of> adrenalin is pumping through one's
veins, tumble in a crashing bow wave,> then sprinted again. Ian (*his crew*)
would have been right behind me,> following my stupid lead, but because of
Hilary (his* other crew was stuck> inside the vessel*) he missed his chance at
being the second human in> history to bodysurf a freighter's bow wave."*> >
And he goes on: *" My most important piece of advice is this: plan to be an>
idiot. I always considered myself a pretty cool customer under fire, but> when
life and vessel were on the line I found myself functioning at about 10> per
cent of mental and physical capability. It made me re-evaluate some of> my
emergency procedures omboard because they are too complicated for a> rattle
mind."*> **> You see what I mean?> > All the best and keep learning,> > Sonaia
Hermida> NH 5729> > > On 3/30/07, thataway4@cox.net <thataway4@cox.net>
wrote:> >> > My impression looking at 2 or 3 year old Nordhavn's vs the same
age Selene> > is that the Nordhavn ages bettter.> >> > There are some design
features including seating on the flying bridge,> > engine room access which I
like better on the Nordhavn.> >> > Any new boat will have problems. I spent
over 3 months getting issues> > repaired on a new boat last year. Further
more, with time many systems on> > boats will either wear or fail. One needs
to either be able to fix them, or> > do without. If one looks at the Nordhavn
40 around the world--there were a> > number of issues, if one studies all of
the reports from the boat and> > various people aboard.> >> > I also need to
clarify a word which may have caused some> > confusion: Scheme: " A systematic
program for obtaining some objective" is> > Webster's first
defination--Nordhavn has done this brilliantly in their> > marketing and
advertising campaigns.> >> > Bob Austin> >
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